This happened earlier in the press conference:
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But what happened after the press conference? This is the subject of this article.
FWAAF Station Headquarters ca 1942
Fort Worth Army Air Field was renamed Carswell Air Force Base on January 29, 1948, in honor of Major Horace S. Carswell, Jr.
Historical Newspaper: The Journal Herald, July 9, 1947 / Officer Irving Newton.
It was the last photo taken at the press conference (July 8, 1947). It shows Warrant Officer Irving Newton with the presented debris. This was also the only photo not taken by photographer James Bond Johnson. He had already left for the Star-Telegram editorial office shortly before Irving Newton arrived in Ramey’s office.
While the reporters and Irving Newton left the office after the press conference, and James Bond Johnson was already on his way back to the editorial office as mentioned, Jesse Marcel spoke with General Roger Ramey.
We remember that Irving Newton heard the general talking to someone: “I recall hearing the General instruct someone to cancel the flight to Wright Patterson AFB.” General Roger Ramey indeed gave this order to DuBose.
The attending reporters also heard this, and it was partially mentioned in the newspapers: Plans to fly the object to Wright Field for further Investigation were canceled.
Historical newspaper: Sun Barnardino County Sun July 9, 1947
General Ramey, DuBose and Jesse Marcel
So, after the press conference ended and only Ramey, DuBose, and Jesse Marcel remained in the office, Marcel spoke with General Ramey:
“My General, Colonel Blanchard told me to take this stuff to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.”
General Ramey replied:
“Just leave it here. We’ll take care of it.”
The General continued:
“You’re going back to Roswell, we need you there.”
“You have an important job there, what you’re doing is important. This, there’ll be nothing”
Marcel left the office and made his way back to Roswell. DuBose, on the other hand, mentioned to General Ramey that he still needed to call General Clements McMullen, as he had been ordered to do before the arrival of the debris. DuBose then had a brief phone conversation with McMullen.
DuBose also mentioned to McMullen that they didn’t know what the debris was. They only had a suspicion.
MAJOR GENERAL CLEMENTS McMULLEN
General McMullen was the Deputy Commander of the Strategic Air Command (SAC).
McMullen ordered DuBose over the phone:
Take that debris from Roger’s office and put it in a container, lock it, and send it to Washington. Choose a courier you trust.
McMullen pointed out that it was nobody’s business what exactly the debris was. After all, McMullen himself didn’t know yet and had to insist on secrecy. Whether General Ramey had already suspected the debris was related to Project Mogul is unclear, but not impossible. McMullen also demanded to speak with Roger Ramey. During the conversation, it was explained that there were many small parts involved, and that Colonel Blanchard had given the order to Jesse Marcel to fly the debris to Wright-Patterson.
Apparently, it was decided to transport the debris to Wright-Patterson AFB for a more detailed analysis, as it was assumed that qualified personnel would be available there. The only condition McMullen had for not having it delivered to him first was that the material had to be examined immediately upon arrival.
DuBose then packed everything back into the canvas bag, locked it with the lock and key, and sent it with Colonel Al Clark on a B-25 to Wright Field.
Colonel Alan D. Clark
North American B-25 Mitchell
Several people gave interviews on the radio and in newspapers. Among them was Mac Brazel, as well as Roger Ramey, who reiterated what he had already mentioned in the press conference.
Star-Telegram
Half an hour after the press conference, photographer James Bond Johnson had already returned to the Star-Telegram editorial office. He likely arrived there shortly before 7:00 PM.
J. Bond Johnson (17 years old) colorized. Original image part of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram Collection, University of Texas at Arlington Libraries. Identifier: AR406-6-1558. Attribution- NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)
Jack White Photograph Collection, University of Texas at Arlington Libraries. Fort Worth Star-Telegram building, Throckmorton Street and 8th Street, Fort Worth, Texas. (1904). Retrieved from https://library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/img/10001061
As he entered the newsroom, a horde of unknown people was waiting for him. The photographer was under significant time pressure due to newspaper deadlines and the fact that many were interested in photos from the press conference. Technicians from Dallas had arrived at the newsroom to transmit the taken photos using a portable wire photo transmitter.
Portable wire photo transmitter (public domain 1939)
Cullum Greene, the city editor, immediately approached Johnson and said, “Bond, give us a wet print.”
Fort Worth Star-Telegram Collection, University of Texas at Arlington Libraries. Cullum Greene, city editor. (1943). Retrieved from
library.uta.edu/digitalgallery/img/20031457
James Bond Johnson immediately went into the darkroom to develop the photos. When he emerged, numerous messages had arrived, requesting a call back.
A few photos then appeared in various newspapers, including the one photo of Irving Newton, which was taken by an unknown photographer. Johnson even wrote an article for the Star-Telegram on July 9, 1947, himself.
Wright-Patterson Air Field
Meanwhile, during the night, the B-25 carrying Colonel Al Clark landed at Wright-Patterson Air Field.
Wright Field 1945
Although there is no official receipt report, multiple indications and statements suggest that the debris was indeed delivered to Wright Field. This includes the mention by DuBose and, most notably, the statement from Colonel Albert Trakowski.
Wright Patterson Field Headquarters 1933 – 1948
But it must have happened this way: Colonel Al Clark carried out his orders and, after landing, sought out Colonel Marcellus Duffy. He woke him up and showed him the debris.
Albert Trakowski
This is supported by a statement from Colonel Albert Trakowski, who was at the Watson Laboratories in Red Bank, New Jersey, at the time:
“Colonel Duffy called me on the telephone from Wright Field and gave me a story about a fellow
that had come in from New Mexico, woke him up in the middle of the night, or some such thing, with
a handful of debris, and wanted him, Colonel Duffy, to identify it.”Duffy said: “this sure looked like some of
the stuff that you launched from Alamorgordo.“and he described it
Trakowski responded after hearing the description, saying, “Yes, I think it is.”
For reference: Duffy had previously held Trakowski’s position on MOGUL but had later been transferred to Wright Field. This was the reason why Duffy then contacted Trakowski. Certainly Colonel Duffy knew enough about radar targets, radiosondes, balloonborne weather devices. He was intimately familiar with all that apparatus.
Trakowski was the project officer on Mogul. He and Charles B. Moore served together under Colonel Duffy in the Air Force Liaison Office sometime starting in 1943 for a while.
Project Mogul was primarily tested in the 1940s near the Alamogordo Army Air Field (now Holloman Air Force Base) in New Mexico.
One of the key figures involved in the development of Project Mogul was Charles B. Moore.
He was instrumental in developing and testing the high-altitude balloon systems used in the project. Moore’s expertise in atmospheric physics and his work on radar targets were crucial for the success of the experiments.
He helped design the balloon configurations that could carry sensitive equipment, such as microphones and radar reflectors, to the required altitudes for long-range sound wave detection.
Moore contributed to integrating radar reflectors into the system to help track the balloons during their flights. These reflectors were necessary for monitoring the position and movement of the payloads.
He was involved in launching and recovering the balloon systems, collecting data, and analyzing the results to improve their performance.
Photo Courtesy of Charles B. Moore
The official Roswell Report concludes the following:
Professor Moore opined that the material was most likely the shredded remains of a multi-neoprene balloon train with multiple radar reflectors. The material and a ”black box,” described by Cavitt, was, in Moore’s scientific opinion, most probably from Flight 4, a “service flight” that included a
cylindrical metal sonobuoy and portions of a weather instrument housed in a box, which was unlike typical weather radiosondes which were made of cardboard. Additionally, a copy of a professional journal maintained at the time by A.P. Crary, provided to the Air Force by his widow, showed that Flight 4 was launched on June 4, 1947, but was not recovered by the NYU group. It is very probable that this Top Secret project balloon train (Flight 4), made up of unclassified components, came to rest some miles northwest of Roswell, NM, became shredded in the surface winds, and was ultimately found by the rancher, Brazel, ten days later.
A detailed description of how this conclusion was reached can be found in the Roswell Report starting on page 325.
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Regardless of where and when something was delivered or how many alleged crash sites there were, one crucial aspect must always be considered: the testimonies about the debris found in the field. All witnesses provided similar descriptions, from Mac Brazel to Jesse Marcel and even his son. When the order was given to remain silent and not to speak about the discovery, it was likely because the commanding officers themselves did not yet know what they were dealing with. As a result, the matter was classified until further clarification. Just because something was reported that no one had seen or recognized before does not automatically mean it was an extraterrestrial craft that crashed on Earth. The descriptions of the debris given by all witnesses are remarkably consistent.
What happened after the inspection at Wright Field?
There are no records or official reports about what happened to the parts afterward. Whether they were forwarded elsewhere or disposed of in the trash remains unknown.
Historical Newspaper: Chicago Daily Tribune, July 10, 1947